Fears over firefighters' kit failure

[one time hit]

hi ian,

can you upload your PPT shows to

http://www.slideshare.net/

then post the links on here so we can view them?

as for your porn pictures of melted face masks, upload to here

http://www.tinypic.com

and again post the links on here.

cheers

[SoCo]

Welcome Ian

I am aware of Ian's work, he's a top man when it comes to PPE.

[brumble49]

A brief history Ian Moses

[ianmoses]

SCBA facemasks

No I am not a BA instructor, I was responsible for PPE in Grampian for 25 years, I also sit on three British Standards committees, Protection from heat and flame, Firefighters protective ensembles and Protective gloves. Anyone who knows me, knows that my careers was focused on firefighter protection and nothing else. My involvement in this is whenever a firefighter got burned, the finger was normally pointed at what they were wearing, i.e. PPE failure. Its bad enough when one firefighter gets burned, but when it happens over and over again, I think we have a problem. I spoke to a reliable source a few weeks ago and they told me that firefighters across the UK are being burned weekly at various locations, That my friends is not acceptable. During my 31 years with Grampian I have inspected many crazed visors, I have seen melted pressure gauges (and I have pictures as well) I did some investigation for another Fire and Rescue service where they were melting helmet visors, and in fact carried out an investigation where an hot fire instructor from and English fire and rescue service burned through his tunic and indeed scorched his sweatshirt. From head to foot the firefighter is encapsulate in protective clothing, all I need to say tested differently and at different temperatures, and all with their own limitations. I am not sure how to overcome this problem, I have my own thoughts, but they are radical and I am sure would never be accepted.

15 years ago, I wrote to a scientist who has done many studies and reports on firefighter clothing in the USA, he works with NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) He told me that he had been invited at participate in an exercise in Houston Texas. He put heat sensors on the outside of his tunic and on the inside as well. The temperature inside the container varied from 200-400C, his heat sensor on the outside of his tunic at one point was 100C but the sensors inside his tunic started to rise to 60C and he told me that had he not been able to snake (the ability to move inside your PPE so there is not a permanent contact point) he would have burned.

[ianmoses]

http://www.slideshare.net/ianmoses/radia...ation-comp

http://www.slideshare.net/ianmoses/heat-...-fbug-comp

[ianmoses]

pictures of melted SCBA

[ianmoses]

[ianmoses]

hi ian,

can you upload your PPT shows to

http://www.slideshare.net/

then post the links on here so we can view them?

as for your porn pictures of melted face masks, upload to here

http://www.tinypic.com

and again post the links on here.

cheers

Thanks for the links great stuff, your a hit.

[one time hit]

Thanks for the links great stuff, your a hit.

no thank you for the pics and the ppt's ill need to study the ppt's

your a welcome and useful addition to the uk-fire community.

heres a question for you ian. ba sets i was told have 10 year life span and have to be replaced at the end of the 10 years? true?

reason im asking is i hear that because of the new "one" service there are some brigades operating sets beyond their 10 year life!

[ianmoses]

Ten years is normal, that's what we did. Obviously that's not to say the at the ten year mark the sets are done, but they start to cost lot of money to service and maintain and of course a lot of the original components require to be replaced. And of course technology has moved on after that period of time. We used Sabre/Scott sets and they recommended replacement after ten years. By the time you carry out your evaluations that time may be extended by an addition six months or so.