Kemi Badenoch will stop all irregular channel crossings

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Hi Bill
I've taken a little time to respond to your post, but I have come to the conclusion that I think we differ on our thoughts regards this post, I certainly don't want to get in an argument with you as I have to much respect for you.
I still class them as illegal and not irregular as you say, the small boat crossings have got out of hand regard finances and I agree that we need a safe and legal passage for these people.
I think it is only a minority from the hotels that cause problems but unfortunately they all get tarred with the same brush, hence the demonstrations
I have never seen so many allegations of sexual assault and sadly rapes occur so frequently since all this kicked off.
How do you know they live several to a room, you cannot quote this unless it is factual.
I certainly do think that any illegal or irregular migrants commit any crime in the UK, they should be deported, easier said than done.
If true they get into a boat heading for the UK and are escorted across by the French boats, this is so wrong, obviously they don't want them in France.
That's all for know, hope your well and its good to have an open debate with no animosity

Regards
Ben

Hi Ben.

Ben the term irregular is the official designation used by border control and the U.K. government. The term illegal was slipped in by right wing media and Farage & co.

please look at this government link where you will have this correct designation confirmed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...ast-7-days

With regards to sharing hotel rooms, that is common knowledge Ben. Many times on tv rooms have been shown with bunk beds. The ship that the government hired from Sweden was designed to house 200, we had nearly five hundred on that ship.

But here’s confirmation on AI

Yes, some asylum seekers in the UK are required to share hotel rooms as part of the government's effort to reduce reliance on expensive hotel accommodation and maximize capacity. This policy is intended to save money and potentially reduce the need for additional hotels. However, this practice has faced criticism and raised concerns about safety and appropriate care.

Labour are reducing significantly the amount of asylum seekers living in hotels, they hope to stop all together using hotels, but this seems an unrealistic goal to me.


I am glad we both agree that there should be a safer way to claim asylum, that would go along way to solving or limiting the Chanel crossings Ben.

As for respect Ben, I have great respect for you, and you are entitled to your opinions. Healthy debate is a sign of our mutual respect, and that won’t change as far as I am concerned.

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Hi Bill
Utter respect always, regardless of opinions

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I am sick to the back teeth of tories telling us how labour should deal with irregular immigration on rubber boats over the English Channel.
They who were using 400 hotels to house these people are now stating that the government should stop immediately housing people in hotels. The fact is since coming to power labour have promised to stop doing what the tories created by the end of this parliament and stop the use of hotels, and have reduced the number of hotels used from 400 to the current 210.
When will the penny drop with some.
Labour inherited an utter shambles and it cannot all be sorted out overnight. 14 years of Tory mismanagement and arrogance have got us were we are, sorting it out may well take 10-15 years not 10-15 months.

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Badenoch one of the architects of the broken asylum system, who promoted the use of hotels whilst in power, is now advising Tory councils to take legal action against what she was involved in promoting. If it was not serious it wouod be laughable.

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The site of people protesting against people who have struggled to free themselves from wars, persecution, and death threats really sickens me. The boat issue was neglected by the last government, with applications taking years adding to the problem. Yet now the culprits of this broken asylum system they created and mishandled are using it as a political tool yet again. They created this myth that we are being swamped by people crossing the channel, even when they were only 4% of immigrants coming to this country. As a matter of fact when you extract the 70% who achieve asylum status is just over 1%.

I watch these people with their flags, and their vitriol, and their hatred, and I wonder what is happening to our country. Then we have Farage promising to send them all away with five flights a day, but when asked where will they be sent to, he has no answer. Just the usual snake oil salesman, doing what he does best.

There are solutions to this situation, but they involve taking decisions, and I have no doubt that these would be questioned by Farage and the previous government.

We need to take our share, stop thinking because we are an island we should be somehow be exempt from doing so. We need to give asylum seekers a means of applying for asylum outwith our country, and set a reasonable fair limit as to how many we will take in. Then any who chose to cross the channel will then be de facto ILLEGAL immigrants.

But most importantly this vile hatred of people who only want sanctuary from situations we fortunately we have never endured has to stop. Farage and Reform, and the architects of this situation the Tories need to stop using this as a political ploy, and call of the hatred and the bile I am watching right now.

Labour are working hard to try and control a situation created by the previous incumbents, it will take time, and they have reduced the numbers by processing quicker the backlog created by the Tories, and with the independent panels they have set up a process which took three years under the Tories will be reduced to around six months, it currently stands at a year, one third of the time it was taking under the Tories.

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When A migrant's asylum claim is rejected and they appeal it is taking an average of 53 week to get to court.
This morning Labour have announce and independent panel that will be dedicated to deal with the appeals process.

Although I do have some issues with this Labour government (supporting war crime in Isreal) they are working on the migrant boat mess created by the tories and Brexit. There is no quick fix.

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And let’s be honest here, these union jacks appearing everywhere are not on the whole purely showing pride in our nation. They are besmirching the very flag they are flying.
What’s going on right now could have been avoided if handled properly years ago, and it will take years to sort out. Is closing the hotels a solution, I very much doubt it. Moving these people into empty housing in local communities could well lead to more claims of preferential treatment, which quite frankly are ridiculous. They are not living in a lap luxury in hotels, these hotels are not functioning as they did before the asylum seekers moved in. Every other country under international law houses asylum seekers, we are not some kind of soft touch. Many come here because they have family here, or they can speak our language. There are no easy solutions here, don’t be fooled by Farage, show compassion for people who are desperate to live normal lives without fear, something we all take for granted. Yes if their case is refused do what Labour have been doing, send them back to their home country, I have nothing against that. But this horrible situation has to stop, and folk like Farage and Badenock have to stop making political hay from this situation.

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Hi Bill
You make some good points but there was an immigration lawyer on the news this morning stated that a lot of them don't speak our language and court cases are taking so long because they need interpreters to get their point of view across .
He said years ago under labour they were sent to a detention camp called Oakington in Cambridge where their case was heard within a few days, a decision made within 2 days and that was that case dealt with, but was closed after 10 years as not fit for purpose
As I said earlier I don't particularly agree with Hotels but moving them out will only move the problem and not create a solution so they should stay put for know
The Home Office are going to appeal the closing of the Bell hotel in Epping, if this is lost every authority will go down the same route as Epping and get Hotels closed for Illegal/Irregular Immigrants, this will be a disaster as they will be put god knows where,
My nephews neighbours have just converted their house into an HMO without any consultation and said it has been a nightmare, one of the residents was in the street last week with a knife and was promptly arrested, so what is your opinion of HMO's,its just the owners sadly cashing in on a fast buck.
That's all for know , hope all is well and keep on posting as you keep this site ticking over

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Hi Bill
You make some good points but there was an immigration lawyer on the news this morning stated that a lot of them don't speak our language and court cases are taking so long because they need interpreters to get their point of view across .
He said years ago under labour they were sent to a detention camp called Oakington in Cambridge where their case was heard within a few days, a decision made within 2 days and that was that case dealt with, but was closed after 10 years as not fit for purpose
As I said earlier I don't particularly agree with Hotels but moving them out will only move the problem and not create a solution so they should stay put for know
The Home Office are going to appeal the closing of the Bell hotel in Epping, if this is lost every authority will go down the same route as Epping and get Hotels closed for Illegal/Irregular Immigrants, this will be a disaster as they will be put god knows where,
My nephews neighbours have just converted their house into an HMO without any consultation and said it has been a nightmare, one of the residents was in the street last week with a knife and was promptly arrested, so what is your opinion of HMO's,its just the owners sadly cashing in on a fast buck.
That's all for know , hope all is well and keep on posting as you keep this site ticking over

Hi Ben, sorry Ben but you simply cannot sort out an immigration case in two days, that’s nonsense. As for most of them not speaking English that does not surprise me, but a high percentage do but probably less than 50%. But then how many of us with all of the benefits of living here can speak two languages. Most of these people won’t have passports. This will be due to the situation within the countries they left, were law and order has been replaced by wars or dystopian regimes.
I honestly believe if given a chance the vast majority of them would eventually contribute to our country, just as those who came generations ago are doing today. Sadly by the look of some of the protesters I doubt if the same would apply to them.
People are expecting things to change to quickly, they won’t.
But hand on heart, I think Labour are doing their level best in trying circumstances.
Take care Ben, and you keep posting.

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Ben I don’t have any easy options to offer, I leave that to Nigel Farage, and Reform.