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Soco sorry Soco
Nothing has been signed or sealed in pensions and it is not concluded as you well know.
The person in question had read nothing to date on the changes and how they will effect him.
I presume you have
Oh and for your information it is this month that the pensions bill gets rubber stamped in parliament that means new schemes in 2015 will be introduced although the designs of these schemes are still subject of discussions
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i think (without nitpicking) about what JK says is correct. there are so many people who just can't be bothered to take it in.
i say that because i credit most wholetime firefighters in the uk with a degree of intelligence and pensions ain't exactly rocket science.
you just need to sit down, put the effort in and take the information in.
the 47 year old that JK mentions is typical. if you were in that position, wouldn't you make it your mission in life to know exactly what is going to happen to you (especially as you are so close to retirement!)
again, with the above person in mind, is it right for the EC to recommend and effectively spoon feed these people rather than encourage debate etc?
although they say it on the paper ie members should discuss this etc, they know fine well what they are doing when they recommend things.
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In the poll on this thread...what blank 'cheque' am I supposed to be signing if I vote for the second option?
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Eric
You have been on every thread on here hese last few weeks, and then some.
One resumes that you actually read the informative stuff sandwiched between you inane null one line posts but it appears that you might not do that.
The blank cheques and I use the plural form of the word because they will come back more than once
Are to hand over whatever CoS you value the most
Perhaps
annual leave
Sickness pay
Overtime rates
Ph leave
But then again you might be so enamoured by your ECs recommendation that these are all up for sale and you are happy to accept six quid a week, two pints of lager and not even change for a bag of crisps, in exchange for any or all of these hard won conditions.
In your case it could be a case of BOGOFF.
Why ask the question lad, your ballot paper is on its way with a big X in the accept box
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Nightstaffer, post: 313887 Wrote:Eric
You have been on every thread on here hese last few weeks, and then some.
One resumes that you actually read the informative stuff sandwiched between you inane null one line posts but it appears that you might not do that.
The blank cheques and I use the plural form of the word because they will come back more than once
Are to hand over whatever CoS you value the most
Perhaps
annual leave
Sickness pay
Overtime rates
Ph leave
But then again you might be so enamoured by your ECs recommendation that these are all up for sale and you are happy to accept six quid a week, two pints of lager and not even change for a bag of crisps, in exchange for any or all of these hard won conditions.
In your case it could be a case of BOGOFF.
Why ask the question lad, your ballot paper is on its way with a big X in the accept box
So NS laddy-boy...if I vote for the 1% increase do I forgo and give up - any element of annual leave, sickness pay, overtime rates and PH leave?
Something tells me that the employers have always been after that lot since the year dot. Their will to cut and save has always been there...nothing new here.
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Ach well then lets accept the two bob a week pay rise then with the strings that they want, and hand them the list N/S produced, cos thats what you're voting for.
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Yes Eric
That's what you will be jeopardising.
Yes they have been after them for years.
They were after the pension fr years too
And the overtime ban
And the beds
And the shift system
And the .........
And hey got em
But one thing I never heard they were after was the officers mileage.
The Discipline Regs?
Well they just brought in the oneslinked to Employment thingy
And at a stroke introduced a harsher set of regs.
Tinker with the discipline procedures by all means but by and large there is not much money to be saved there.
They are after savings of a large magnitude
Where in the grey book are those conditions ,that if removed ,
will produce the biggest saving?
Bus fares?
Mileage rates?
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The savings they require will come from reductions in the number of firefighter posts across the country.
Scotland will face reductions in numbers over the next few years and so will every brigade in Britain and Northern Ireland.
The budgets are being massively reduced.
The whole public sector is being reduced not just us.
Civil Service have lost thousands,police have lost thousands,councils have lost thousands
Even the untouchables in the past like police officers and nurses are being slashed,
That's the world we are in now, budgets slashed, money is drying up so face up to it and get involved or stick your head down and watch things change from the outside.
Big changes are coming to us and the whole public sector so I would much prefer to be involved than wait and see and hope they go away.
Welcome to 2012 and the future
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Let's just give them everything.
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