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Re-employment after retiring question
#31
PEGASUS, post: 384968, member: 32 Wrote:Fair due's, as I said wasn't having a go, it's all down to personal circumstances. Just have a thing about people holding on to the job, and holding up promotion and recruitment to feather their nest as they see it. It wasn't a viable financial thing to do up until recently when you still had to pay into the pension if you stayed on for a lesser return, but many did it.

The fact that you are looking into Non -Operational jobs and freeing up a space for a youngster to get in I applaud. Something I might have done if it was available at the time. Good luck with your endevours, and as you say, make sure that you check out the implications.

I totally agree with your thoughts about people who hang on after their time. There is no big benefit and the pension will not improve.

Realistically they are working for only about half their wage. I believe this is compounded when people retire and are then re-employed in the same role. (I believe the pension is frozen) Over the last few years pay rises (0-1%) have been below pension increases (1-3%). This results with people having a smaller pension when they finally retire than they would have had by retired a few years earlier.

Surely it is better to take the pension after 30 years and get another job.

Maybe I wasn't very clear of my intentions with my original enquiry. I think we are pretty much singing the same hymn :-)
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#32
On the pension increase maybe one thing to take into account is that there is no index linking of your pension until your 55th birthday. At that point your pension administrator should add up all of the % increases of the years between your 50th and 55th birthday and apply that to your pension and uplift it (there is no back pay) and from there your pension increases in line with the annual index linking.
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#33
I still struggle with this debate. My dad worked 45 years for a utility company after paying full contribution to his pension which was a 40 year scheme he got paid his pension plus his wage and he worked on till 65. If the pension is a 30,35 or 40 year scheme when you have paid up your paid up and you should be able to draw it even if you stay on.
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#34
omegaman, post: 385114, member: 10437 Wrote:I still struggle with this debate. My dad worked 45 years for a utility company after paying full contribution to his pension which was a 40 year scheme he got paid his pension plus his wage and he worked on till 65. If the pension is a 30,35 or 40 year scheme when you have paid up your paid up and you should be able to draw it even if you stay on.
I don't disagree with this. Unfortunately the Government won't allow us to do so. I guess they don't like us.
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#35
Rumour has it that Mid and West Wales CFO has taken an abatement, back in 5 weeks
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#36
velbert, post: 385335, member: 239 Wrote:Rumour has it that Mid and West Wales CFO has taken an abatement, back in 5 weeks
Does that mean his peer group like deputy chief and assistant chiefs aint up to the job?
Or does it mean he never progressed their skills by allowing them to develop?

:C
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#37
bakes, post: 385336, member: 4 Wrote:Does that mean his peer group like deputy chief and assistant chiefs aint up to the job?
Or does it mean he never progressed their skills by allowing them to develop?

Smile
Naw, it's jobs for the boys who will continue cost cutting, while feathering his own arse, and get a gong.Rolleyes
Now freed from the asylum.
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#38
Implications for Re-employment of FPS Pensioners from April 6th 2010
09 March 2010 Pensions

Circular: 2010HOC0158SS
Dear Brother/Sister,

Officials will be aware that members of the 1992 Firefighters' Pension Scheme retain the right to retire from age 50 (provided that they have 25 years or more of pensionable service) despite the new tax rules that take effect from 6th April 2010. This was clarified on several occasions via Head Office circulars.

In addition to this, the new tax rules from April 2006 will have an effect upon an individual who retires under this rule and takes up re'employment again unless certain criteria is satisfied.

Attached is a guidance note (FPS Guidance note 1/2010) which outlines the position to Fire and Rescue Authorities.

This guidance notice highlights substantial tax implications for individuals should one of the four re-employment conditions not be met.

These conditions are:

1. a recall by the Armed Forces;

2. a break in employment of at least six months;

3. a break in employment of at least one month and benefits may be abated;

4. a break in employment of at least one month and the re-employment is materially different.

Officials should raise this with their local pension administrator and ensure that the full effect of these tax implications are explained to the individual before re-employment occurs.

The situation may already be taken into account in some Fire and Rescue Authorities where a break of at least a month is the current practice.

Yours in Unity,

Sean Starbuck

National Officer



FPS Guidance Note 1/2010

Protected Pension Age ' Implications for Re-employment of FPS Pensioners from 6th April 2010.

Under the Finance Act 2004, the Minimum Pension Age (MPA) rises to age 55 from 6th April 2010. Members of the Firefighter's Pension Scheme 1992 have a right to retire from age 50 (provided they have 25 or more years of pensionable service). This right to retire at an age below 55 is protected ** and on retirement members will receive a Protected Pension Age (PPA).

HM Revenue and Customs have taken the view that protection does not extend to Chief Fire Officers appointed on or before 5th April 2006.

The purpose of this guidance note is to bring to the attention of Fire and Rescue Authorities the tax rules that will apply from 6th April 2010 where an individual who has taken pension benefits from the FPS takes up employment again. We are aware that some FRAs re-employ firefighters after retirement and this guidance note will therefore be of particular interest to those considering the employment of firefighters who retired with a PPA on, or after, 6th April 2010.

From 6th April 2010, an individual who retires with a PPA and who subsequently takes up employment will lose that protection if they are employed by one of the following employers and one of the four employment conditions listed below is not met.
  • An employer who employed the individual in the six months before benefit entitlement arose, and who was also a sponsoring employer in the scheme under which benefit entitlement arose in that six month period.

  • Any person connected with the employer described in the previous bullet point. Note that under this condition the person employing the individual does not need to be a sponsoring employer.

  • Any sponsoring employer in the pension scheme under which benefit entitlement arose that is connected with the individual.



Our interpretation of a sponsoring employer in connection with the FPS is the relevant employing authority, whether a fire and rescue authority or county council.

Therefore, from 6th April 2010 an individual who has retired with a PPA and is subsequently re-employed by a FRA before they have reached age 55 will incur additional tax charges on all pension benefits, including any commuted lump sum, paid to them before reaching age 55 unless one of the following four re-employment conditions is met:
  1. recall by the Armed Forces

  2. a break in employment of at least six months

  3. a break in employment of at least one month and benefits may be abated

  4. a break in employment of at least one month and the re-employment is materially different


With regard to re-employment condition 3, we are advised by HMRC that the abatement condition is satisfied provided that the employer has the discretion to abate. Whether abatement is actually applied is not material. Under Rule K4 of the FPS, a FRA has the discretion to abate where a person entitled to a pension is employed as a regular firefighter.

With regard to re-employment condition 4, the legislation is silent on the definition of materially different and HMRC advise that the normal meaning should be applied.

More detailed guidance is included in the HMRC Registered Pension Schemes Manual at http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/rpsmmanua...106064.htm.

Communities and Local Government

26th January 2010

** Under the Registered Pension Schemes (Prescribed Schemes and Occupations) Regulations 2005 (SI 2005 No. 3451.
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#39
Good afternoon, please forgive me as this is off the topic but slightly related. Can anyone advise me on how to find soon to, or retired Fire and Rescue services personnel who are wanting to continue working after retirement?

My company currently has a few employees who are ex fire services personnel and we have found that they are such a good fit. We work in an environment where we go into homes or business that have been affected by fires or floods to do damage limitation and restoration.

Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks
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#40
Sounds like the auld Salvage Corps that the insurance companies fucked off and closed down in the early eighties, and gave to private companies like AshleyC's to enable them to milk the system by charging punters in their hour of need after a fire or floodRolleyes
Now freed from the asylum.
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