Momentum

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Reading todays Firefighter, i see hidden away at the bottom of page 6 the FBU has affiliated to a group called Momentum, a grassroots Labour campaign group. When did we agree to that? How much am i paying for this? Who are they? Who made this decision?


http://www.peoplesmomentum.com/

Momentum exists to build on the energy and enthusiasm from the Jeremy Corbyn for Labour Leader campaign to increase participatory democracy, solidarity, and grassroots power and help Labour become the transformative governing party of the 21st century.

:C

[Nightstaffer]

Labour and Trade Unionism
Fish & Chips
Gin & Tonic
Morecambe & Wise
Scotch and Soda ( well maybe not)

Why the surprise that a Trade Union supports Labour to get them into power

And likewise don't be surprised when
in power the Labour Govt crap on the trade union

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Maybe paying our money to momentum gets our leader an invite to the party.

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:C

[big smoothie]

disgraceful politicking?

[big smoothie]

Disgusts me when you see the likes of Blair and Major.......Osborne and Darling....a party of the people Yeh right on!

[bill.advanced]

Labour and Trade Unionism
Fish & Chips
Gin & Tonic
Morecambe & Wise
Scotch and Soda ( well maybe not)

Why the surprise that a Trade Union supports Labour to get them into power

And likewise don't be surprised when
in power the Labour Govt crap on the trade union

Surely Jeremy wouldn't crap on the FBU ns, he's hardly a Teflon Tony.
But will he be the leader next election, now there's the rub.
If he is he won't be elected, if he is not he cannot be elected
So it looks like the FBU have backed a loser.
They are looking into the headlights of a fast moving car about to run them over.

It's not a surprise that the FBU supports labour, it's quite simply wrong.
when not all or possibly even the minority of their members support labour.

[Nightstaffer]

Labour are playing a canny game
Let the Tories tear themselves asunder
How can Cameron reunite his party after the result of the referendum is known
If it's a vote to leave, and that is looking a distinct possibility as time goes on , the Cameron and Osbourne will be out.
Gideon actually thinks that if it's a vote to leave he gets to draw up his punishment budget,
Both out within minutes.
Then very little confidence in the govt, could be a swift road to a general election.
Power struggle within Labour who would be the front runners.
Burn ham may have burned his boat by throwing his hat into the ring to become Mayor of Manchester.
But most of the Labour lot have kept their reps relatively intact.

Jeremy has not gone " all in" with the remain campaign like Cameron has , so he is keeping his ship afloat.

So you expect a trade union to support the conservatives?
It's not about proportional representation, how can they be expected to know how their members vote.
You join a trade union and you agree to support Labour, even if you withdraw your levy That doesn't change anything

[bill.advanced]

Labour are playing a canny game
Let the Tories tear themselves asunder
How can Cameron reunite his party after the result of the referendum is known
If it's a vote to leave, and that is looking a distinct possibility as time goes on , the Cameron and Osbourne will be out.
Gideon actually thinks that if it's a vote to leave he gets to draw up his punishment budget,
Both out within minutes.
Then very little confidence in the govt, could be a swift road to a general election.
Power struggle within Labour who would be the front runners.
Burn ham may have burned his boat by throwing his hat into the ring to become Mayor of Manchester.
But most of the Labour lot have kept their reps relatively intact.

Jeremy has not gone " all in" with the remain campaign like Cameron has , so he is keeping his ship afloat.

So you expect a trade union to support the conservatives?
It's not about proportional representation, how can they be expected to know how their members vote.
You join a trade union and you agree to support Labour, even if you withdraw your levy That doesn't change anything

No ns I don't expect a trade union to support any political party, but just say they did support the conservatives how would you feel. You would feel exactly the same as members who don't vote labour.
I joined the FBU ns, and I did vote labour, but I never agreed to it.
I agree that the Tories are in disarray regardless the result of the referendum, it's just a pity that labour are not in a position to take full advantage.
And Jeremy Corbyn has put his weight behind the remain campaign even if reluctantly.

[Nightstaffer]

Not his full weight
And as I said earlier trade unions and Labour are entwined by history, principle, and a common purpose , but not always in equal measure on both sides.

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Not his full weight
And as I said earlier trade unions and Labour are entwined by history, principle, and a common purpose , but not always in equal measure on both sides.

Ns I aggree historically that the trade union movement was entwined with the Labour Party. But the Labour Party changed in recent times, and the demands of the trade union movement and their members are not the same as in our time and historically.
The world has changed significantly and this bond is far more tenuous than in the past.
Trade unions in today's world need to concentrate more on the demands and needs of their members, and less on political posturing.
Ns if you went back to the 70s the vast majority of FBU members voted labour, I would doubt if that is the case in today's difficult world, and the FBU should both respect and acknowledge this.